Jack Conway questions Rand Paul’s religious faith in new ad
By Jack Brammer – jbrammer@herald-leader.com
Democratic U.S. Senate nominee Jack Conway questions the religious faith of his Republican opponent, Rand Paul, in a new television ad launched Saturday.
“Why was Rand Paul a member of a secret society that calls the Holy Bible a hoax …?” asks the ad. “Why did Rand Paul once tie a woman up. Tell her to bow down before a false idol and say his God was Aqua Buddha?”
Paul’s campaign immediately attacked the ad, saying Conway “stepped way over the line” in “a shameful and despicable ad that questions Dr. Paul’s Christian faith.”
Paul said in a statement that he is a “pro-life Christian” who has “never written or spoken anything that would indicate otherwise.”
Paul is a member of The Presbyterian Church of Bowling Green, where his wife Kelley is a deacon.
The Conway campaign said Paul needs to explain why he joined a secret society in college after the president of Baylor University banned it in 1978, two years before Paul attended the Texas school, because it “made fun of not only the Baptist religion, but Christianity and Christ.”
GQ reported in August that the university’s president called the group “grossly sacrilegious.”
Earlier this week, the political Web site Politico said the society, the NoZe Brotherhood, called the Bible “a hoax” and quoted a former society member who said Paul “… made fun of Baptists …”
The Conway campaign said Paul still hasn’t explained an earlier report in GQ in which a woman said Paul “blindfolded me, tied me up … told me their god was ‘Aqua Buddha’ and that I needed to bow down and worship him.”
She called Paul’s actions “sadistic.” In a later Washington Post report, the woman said she was not kidnapped in the legal sense and that the event was “blown out of proportion.”
The Conway ad also asks why Paul wants to end all federal faith-based initiatives and the federal tax deduction for religious charities.
John Collins, a spokesman for the campaign, said Paul questioned in a 2008 interview on Kentucky Educational Television the intermingling of government and faith-based initiatives.
Asked when Paul called for an end to the deduction for religious charities, Collins pointed to an Associated Press report this week that said Paul wants to replace the federal income tax, which provides numerous deductions, with a retail sales tax.
Paul backed away from the tax change on Friday despite a video from the Conway campaign that quoted him earlier this year supporting it.
Collins said Conway is a Catholic who attends church with his wife, Elizabeth, who is an Episcopalian.
Conway campaign spokeswoman Allison Haley said the new ad demonstrates that Paul “doesn’t share Kentucky values.”
About the Author: John Stamper is the accountability editor for the Lexington Herald-Leader. A native of Monticello, Ky., he has been with the Herald-Leader in a variety of roles since graduating from Western Kentucky University in 2000. Reach him at jstamper@herald-leader.com
bosshogg24 | Oct 16, 2010 | Reply
Conway is a drowning man grabbing at anything that might keep him alive!
BarryNBG | Oct 16, 2010 | Reply
Noticed no stories on how the DNC has pulled some money out of Kentucky and Jack raised a million less than Dr. Paul this quarter. Could be a reason Jack has gone to attack someone in a personal nature.
Remember, Conway staffer who dressed up as a Tea Partier and said racist things? Yep, Conway showing how low he will go.
commy taudill | Oct 16, 2010 | Reply
a smear is okay if it a democrat taking it to a republicant
John B | Oct 16, 2010 | Reply
Why is a man (Conway) who attends the Episcopal Church questioning anybody’s faith. Episcopalians aren’t even Christian.
BW | Oct 16, 2010 | Reply
The Liberal Leader at it again. So glad I canceled my subscription to this bird cage lining.
I’d like to see what kind of reaction a republican would get if he were to question the faith of a democrat. The media would be all over it.
William | Oct 16, 2010 | Reply
Tommy,
Where are you? You were just talking about “principles” earlier. It takes a pretty big lack of principles to question another person’s personal religious/spiritual faith in a public forum. Especially just to get elected.
Tommy, can you honestly defend this? I don’t want to hear “Rand did this, Rand did that.” Rand makes mistakes. You tell me if you can defend CONWAY doing something like this. Is THIS principled? Can you defend this?
Eric | Oct 16, 2010 | Reply
Test
William | Oct 16, 2010 | Reply
Rand has run an imperfect campaign (a forgivable offense). But he hasn’t done anything as despicable as this.
I have no respect for Jack Conway.
chan bendler | Oct 16, 2010 | Reply
William,
Tommy is a one-sided, deluded hack.
Arnie | Oct 16, 2010 | Reply
“Episcopalians are not Christians.” What an idiotic statement! How do you overcome such lunacy.
Rand Paul takes the cake as far as I’m concerned. I’ve never seen anyone with so many kooky acts and statements,verified, and many on video. as we have on record with Paul, and he actually has the gall to deny ever saying, doing or thinking those things.
Is it me or does he just believe we’re all that dumb and gullible? Mitch had it right when he said about Paul after the latter’s primary victory, “He sure has some kooky ideas.” Come on Kentucky, we can do much better than that.
Tommy Caudill | Oct 16, 2010 | Reply
Please tell me where this ad mentions any place about Rand Paul’s faith. From what I’ve seen it’s totally true and sometimes the truth hurts.
Tommy Caudill | Oct 16, 2010 | Reply
POTUS: “When more things are made in America, more families make it in America; more jobs are created in America; more businesses thrive in America. But Republicans in Washington have consistently fought to keep these corporate loopholes open. Over the last four years alone, Republicans in the House voted 11 times to continue rewarding corporations that create jobs and profits overseas – a policy that costs taxpayers billions of dollars every year.”
http://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/weekly-address
Tommy Caudill | Oct 16, 2010 | Reply
William,
When it tells the truth, I have no problem with the ad. Why does it bother repubs when their own tricks are turned against them? President Obama has been accused of and called everything under the sun in this state and you want to talk about this petty ad as being over the line, give me a break.
Damon | Oct 16, 2010 | Reply
I am an Episcopalian and we are just as Christian as any other denomination! The Episcopal church is an offshoot of the Roman Catholic Church. Get your facts straight before you slander a Christian religion!
Tommy Caudill | Oct 16, 2010 | Reply
Barry, William,
What faith did he attack? Rand Paul was a member of the NoZE society at Baylor University. It did mock Christianity and it even had a headless John the Baptist float in the parade at the university. He did tie a woman up and told her to worship aqua buddah. Tell me again, which faith was it he questioned?
Tommy Caudill | Oct 16, 2010 | Reply
I’ll tell ya what, if it’s so false Rand Paul will have his opportunity to set the recoed straight at 7 P.M. tomorrow night.
If it was false, I would be calling a news conference now and not letting it go any farther but evidently it’s kind of hard to defend the truth especially when the truth is like this.
Tommy Caudill | Oct 16, 2010 | Reply
Actually, before the ad ever hit the air I sent Dr. Paul a tweet, telling him the aqua buddah was eating his brain.
@DrRandPaul You continually say Obamacare raises deductibles on Medicare. Isn’t that an automatic increase of about $32 on average?Not $2000
@DrRandPaul Be honesy Mr. Paul your friend Tom Donohue (Chamber of Commerce said repeatedly that outsourcing jobs and work was a good idea.
@DrRandPaul The Bush tax cuts have been in place 10 years, where are all the jobs you said this morning they had created.
@DrRandPaul Despite what you think happened under Reagan he added 61,000 federal jobs compared to Clinton who cut 373,000.
@DrRandPaul Reagan also presided over the largest tax increase in history in 1982 after he made the boo boo in 1981 of cutting taxes
Tommy Caudill | Oct 16, 2010 | Reply
Barry,
I don’t believe in dealing with rumors, I like facts. Facts are what stick and when it comes out sometimes it hurts but that’s what happens when you make stupid mistakes in life, you have to pay for them.
“Rand Paul’s college group mocked Christians”
The group hardly denied the charge. One “brother” told a reporter from the Lariat during Paul’s sophomore year that the group was raising awareness of an abundance of both “hot air” and “dangerous and even toxic levels of Christian atmosphere on campus.”
A fellow NoZe brother, William John Green, said he couldn’t recall whether Paul made specific contributions to the group’s newsletter, The Rope — which he called a “collective effort.” But he said Paul would have been involved in its production and familiar with its stance toward religion, including “a strong subversive anti-Christian strain.”
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1010/43495.html#ixzz12ZXd0c1n
Jive Dadson | Oct 16, 2010 | Reply
Wouldn’t it be funny if Youtube took the ad down for “Hateful or Abusive Content”?
chan bendler | Oct 16, 2010 | Reply
TommyCaudill,
the democrats had complete majorities in both chambers and failed to close those loopholes. How convenient for the high minded white house to blame republicans. You are a joke that is being used by your party.
Bill Adkins | Oct 16, 2010 | Reply
Rand Paul is Godless!!! Will Ann Coulter report?
TommyIsAShill | Oct 16, 2010 | Reply
TommyCaudill, you are obviously just a shilling troll trying to distract everyone from the truth. How much is Jack Conway paying you?
Jaspercat105310 | Oct 16, 2010 | Reply
Rand is stumbling badly in the stretch run for the Senate. He’s beginning to make Dan Quayle look like a rocket scientist. Can you spell potato?
Tommy Caudill | Oct 16, 2010 | Reply
Think whatever you want, I just sent Conway a big donation of my own. I am fighting for Conway becaue he’s the best person for my state and country.
cotton top | Oct 16, 2010 | Reply
tim conway is the man!
Tommy Caudill | Oct 16, 2010 | Reply
Jasper,
Don’t you spell it tator? Unless you’re Dan Quayle of course then it’s potatoe.
catswin! | Oct 16, 2010 | Reply
problem is that conway will vote lockstep with the communist agenda. Whatever you say tommycaudill and however many links you post, and however many times you quote “POTUS” you can’t deny the fact that the once great democrat party has been overtaken by those who are eager to destroy america. You shill!!!!
Tommy Caudill | Oct 16, 2010 | Reply
Which loopholes would you be referring to? We would have a lot of things fixed but according to the repubs majority doesn’t rule in the Senate like it does in the House.
Tommy Caudill | Oct 16, 2010 | Reply
catswin,
Which communist agenda are you referring to? The warrantless wiretapping we had under Bush? The illegal war we started under Bush? The Citizens United ruling we had by Bush appointees?
Which one?
chan bendler | Oct 16, 2010 | Reply
your POTUS loopholes that you and cotton top posted. are you even reading what you post, or just firing away to support your candidate?
the dems had a filibuster proof majority in the senate and didn’t need one gop vote, for 2 years! but still blame the gop for their own failures. crap – they could have kileld the bush tax cuts two years ago. Wake up you fool!
Tommy Caudill | Oct 16, 2010 | Reply
Name one time when the democrats had 60 democrats. The Bush tax cuts were set in place in 2003 and couldn’t be touched until they expire. Read the law before you start spouting.
emo | Oct 16, 2010 | Reply
“”Which communist agenda are you referring to? The warrantless wiretapping we had under Bush? The illegal war we started under Bush?”"
And Obama continues all those Bush “illegal” policies
Tommy Caudill | Oct 16, 2010 | Reply
Former Republican Senator Lincoln Chafee from R.I. said and I quote “that history has vindicated his opposition to the Bush tax cuts and that by the end of the year Congress should let those tax cuts expire both for the wealthy and all Americans.”
“I don’t see how anyone could make the argument” that tax cuts for the wealthy will spur economic growth, Chafee said. “Just look at the evidence. When [the tax rates] were put in place in the 90s the economy prospered. When the tax was repealed under Bush, the economy crashed… I know it would be difficult to do, but the evidence would suggest that the wealthy can pay and the economy did rebound when Clinton put that tax policy in place in 1993. It cost him both houses of Congress but the evidence is that economy will benefit.”
emo | Oct 16, 2010 | Reply
Sorry to say but the Tea Party candidates have turned out to be poor choices. Most are inexperienced at running campaigns and werent vetted well enough. And it isnt just KY
Rand Paul
Joe Miller
Ken Buck
Sharon Angle
Christine O’Donnell
All are struggling in what should be easy races. Meanwhile Marco Rubio is sailing to victory, despite being a Tea Party favorite, he has experience and knows what he is doing.
Tommy Caudill | Oct 16, 2010 | Reply
I forgot to give you the link to where Senator Chafee said thiose things.
http://news.firedoglake.com/2010/08/25/it-takes-lincoln-chafee-to-make-the-obvious-point-about-the-bush-tax-cuts/
chan bendler | Oct 16, 2010 | Reply
emo, the same wiretapping that bill clinton started, bush expanded, and obamam continued.
The “illegal” wars were voted on “aye” by almost all democrats. they continue to fund the wars when they could have stopped the funding at any time.
Should have been “easy” races? what are you drinking tonight?
georgeDT | Oct 16, 2010 | Reply
Tommy Caudill is certinaly the perfect example of a desparate person. Conway is finished and he just cannot accept it. Hope you have a lot of money but then again obama will give you more of my money if you spend it all foolishly on Conway. Seems like you think all Conway has to do is accuse Paul of things and if he does not stoop to level of Conway and defend himself, he is guilty. We still live in America where you are innocent until proven guilty and Conway has not proved anything. Just because someone says something does not make it true. Of course if we do not get obama out of office we may be a country where you are guilty just because the government says so. Can you say good bye to the Dems control of the Congress. You are a joke!!
Tommy Caudill | Oct 16, 2010 | Reply
Chan,
Check your history my friend the war in Iraq was not voted on by Congress, Bush attacked Iraq unilaterally.
Tommy Caudill | Oct 16, 2010 | Reply
george,
Conway isn’t accusing Paul of anything, he’s using Paul’s own actions and words against him, a big difference.
SteveMT | Oct 16, 2010 | Reply
This is an attempted, but failed, smear of Dr. Rand Paul. A one-sided, un-researched, un-investigated piece of trash. Yellow journalism is alive and well.
Who will measure each and every vote by the Constitution? Answer: Rand Paul
Who in the insider-puppet of the bureaucracy attempting to sling 32 year old mud because he has nothing else to attack, and he looses on every issue that matters in the campaign? Answer: Conway
rd | Oct 16, 2010 | Reply
Stick to the issues, Jack. Whatever stupid things Paul did in college (hopefully) is irrelevant now. He says enough stupid things as an adult. And to the clown who says Episcopals are not Christian, I know you’re joking. And if I am wrong, then you are a complete idiot.
Tommy Caudill | Oct 16, 2010 | Reply
Steve,
You want research, here you go.
I don’t believe in dealing with rumors, I like facts. Facts are what stick and when it comes out sometimes it hurts but that’s what happens when you make stupid mistakes in life, you have to pay for them.
“Rand Paul’s college group mocked Christians”
The group hardly denied the charge. One “brother” told a reporter from the Lariat during Paul’s sophomore year that the group was raising awareness of an abundance of both “hot air” and “dangerous and even toxic levels of Christian atmosphere on campus.”
A fellow NoZe brother, William John Green, said he couldn’t recall whether Paul made specific contributions to the group’s newsletter, The Rope — which he called a “collective effort.” But he said Paul would have been involved in its production and familiar with its stance toward religion, including “a strong subversive anti-Christian strain.”
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1010/43495.html#ixzz12ZXd0c1n
chan bendler | Oct 16, 2010 | Reply
you had the votes. 58 dems, two independents that caucased with dems, and two liberal ladies from the new england region
Tommy Caudill | Oct 16, 2010 | Reply
Wrong, Lieberman caucuses more with republicans on social issues than he does with dems. Ben Nelson of Nebraska and Blanche Lincoln of Arkansas needs to change their party affiliation. We also most of the time only had 59 due to Ted Kennedy’s and Robert Byrds illnesses.
chan bendler | Oct 16, 2010 | Reply
nice excuse
Tommy Caudill | Oct 16, 2010 | Reply
It’s as good as an excuse as the repubs are trying to use about not repealing abortion when they controlled both houses and the white house.
SteveMT | Oct 16, 2010 | Reply
Tom,
Events from 32 years ago? Quote from you: “…said he couldn’t recall whether…? It that the best arguments to be made now? Is that what you will base your vote on, “he could not recall?”
Lets get to the present and discuss issues that matter. America is flat broke. Everything the Congress is doing is unconstitutional. Undeclared wars, The Patriot Act, Obamacare, bailouts for the too-big-to-fails, illegal aliens bankrupting the country, unbalanced budgets, etc.
Let us reason about these present issues before there is no freedom remaining to permit the discussion.
chand bendler | Oct 16, 2010 | Reply
not all repubs want baby killing banned, and the president was not going around blaming democrats for it.
SteveMT | Oct 16, 2010 | Reply
chan,
War Powers Act of 1973. Check it out. Unconstitutional and attempts to justify undeclared and endless wars by this country. What to we say to the dead who have died for this trash?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_Powers_Resolution
Tommy Caudill | Oct 16, 2010 | Reply
Tell me who’s to blame for anything that happened in the last decade. Is Bush responsible for us being attacked on 9/11? What about the financial meltdown?
From the start, Bush embraced a governing philosophy of deregulation. That trickled down to federal oversight agencies, which in turn eased off on banks and mortgage brokers. Bush did push early on for tighter controls over Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, but he failed to move Congress. After the Enron scandal, Bush backed and signed the aggressively regulatory Sarbanes-Oxley Act. But SEC head William Donaldson tried to boost regulation of mutual and hedge funds, he was blocked by Bush’s advisers at the White House as well as other powerful Republicans and quit. Plus, let’s face it, the meltdown happened on Bush’s watch
Read more: http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,1877351_1877350_1877320,00.html#ixzz12a3YUsvS
Tommy Caudill | Oct 16, 2010 | Reply
But what really teed off the Bushies is that Clinton then said that his successor “did not try” to kill or stop bin Laden for the first eight months in office — that is, the eight months before the 9/11 atttacks. The Bush White House has always been hugely sensitive about this charge because, well, there is some truth to it. The new administration came into office and put terror about third or fourth down on its list of big worries, behind Russia, the ABM treaty, and sorting out that unexpected spy plane problem with the Chinese. (Many Republicans just refuse to believe this.)
Read more: http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1539771,00.html#ixzz12a4h7i1P
SteveMT | Oct 16, 2010 | Reply
Tom,
The Bush’s and the bin Laden’s have been bosom buddies for over 20 years.
http://www.prisonplanet.com/041203metwithbinladen.html
Tommy Caudill | Oct 16, 2010 | Reply
KY Senate race a statistical tie, with less than three weeks to go.
Paul now leads Conway by a statistically-insignificant 49 percent to 47 percent with 4 percent undecided. The margin of error is 4 points.
http://www.politicsdaily.com/2010/09/26/democrat-jack-conway-catches-up-with-rand-paul-in-kentucky-senat/
Marcello | Oct 17, 2010 | Reply
Rand Paul is totally f’ing crazy! He wants a balanced budget ammendment. What a crazy kook.
He believes that Congress should have to read the bills that they vote on. What planet is this guy from?
Worst of all he thinks that the country should not go to war without a declaration of war. What fun is that? How are we going to keep wasting lives and money on the military industrial complex if we aren’t fighting undeclared wars around the world?
Cats1968 | Oct 17, 2010 | Reply
A 1 trillion+ dollar deficit two years in a row, 10%+ unemployment, the continuing devaluation of the dollar, an unpopular health car overhaul, a nearly 1 trillion dollar stimulus plan that isn’t working and is not spent in full (possibly should be stopped), a cap & trade bill pending in the senate, tax increases possibly coming next year, etc.
I don’t really care about somebodies religious beliefs, what pranks they pulled 20 years ago in college, what organizations they belonged to in college, whether or not they smoked weed in college (or now for that matter). Do these clowns really think we care about all this nonsense?
Tommy Caudill | Oct 17, 2010 | Reply
Cats1968,
Let me get this straight, you’re worried about the deficit but yet you’re willing to add $4 trillion to it, for what? If you dare say job creation I can no longer take you serious about anything. Here’s why we’ve had this so called job creating in place for 10 years and we’ve had the least amount of job growth since the 1930s. Lincoln Chafee a former Republican Senator from Rhode Island said the following
Tommy Caudill | Oct 17, 2010 | Reply
Lincoln Chafee a former Republican Senator from Rhode Island said the following “I don’t see how anyone could make the argument” that tax cuts for the wealthy will spur economic growth, Chafee said. “Just look at the evidence. When [the tax rates] were put in place in the 90s the economy prospered. When the tax was repealed under Bush, the economy crashed… I know it would be difficult to do, but the evidence would suggest that the wealthy can pay and the economy did rebound when Clinton put that tax policy in place in 1993. It cost him both houses of Congress but the evidence is that economy will benefit.”
http://news.firedoglake.com/2010/08/25/it-takes-lincoln-chafee-to-make-the-obvious-point-about-the-bush-tax-cuts/
But today’s CBO report confirms that things could have been much worse without the stimulus. For instance, the report guesstimates that the bill created 1.8 million to 4.1 million (a huge spread!) jobs that wouldn’t have existed otherwise and the unemployment rate would have been between .7 to 1.5 percent higher without the stimulus.
http://hotair.com/archives/2010/05/27/did-the-stimulus-save-or-create-jobs/
To suggest the stimulus did nothing is ludicrous, the truth is had the republicans went along with some of the things the President wanted to do it could have worked much better.
Wow look at this, the healthcare bill will actually save taxpayers $132 billion.
The numbers are in: The healthcare bill would cost $940 billion over 10 years, but it would raise enough revenues and save other funds that the federal deficit would be $132 billion less than it would under the status quo.
http://www.csmonitor.com/Business/new-economy/2010/0318/CBO-score-says-healthcare-will-cost-940-billion.-What-will-it-cost-you
Tommy Caudill | Oct 17, 2010 | Reply
Let’s look at te 2007 deficit. According to USA Today “Both revenues and spending climbed to record levels in 2007. Spending rose by 2.8% to $2.73 trillion while revenues rose by a faster 6.7% to a record $2.57 trillion, a gain the administration attributed to the economic stimulus from the president’s tax cuts.”
Wow $2.73 trillion and you all are complaining about a $1.4 trillion deficit. Where were you then, under a rock? What the heck is the matter with you republicans? We get a President trying to dig us out of a mess and all you can do is complain and say no to the man.
You all have no credibiity when it comes to fiscal responsibility. Democrats left you a $500 billion surplus you squander it away on useless tax cuts and you still claim you know what you’re doing.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2007-10-11-deficit_N.htm
Tommy Caudill | Oct 17, 2010 | Reply
Cats1968,
You know what gets me, is the majority of Kentuckians make less than $50 thousand a year, yet they keep electing the very people that send their jobs overseas and robs the poor blind.
What is it about repubs that Kentuckians seem to like? They don’t look out for their best interests but instead want to destroy the very principles our country was founded on. They take us to war without Congress’ approval and they wiretap Americans as if we’re all terrorists without the proper warrant. It’s amazing to me that anyone can vote for these jokers. All they want is to get rich and help their banker friends get richer.
We saw how the guy who runs a hedge fund act towards President Obama because the Obama administration had lowered the boom on their practices of stealing from the small man.
That’s why I’m a democrat because they look out for people like me and 95% of the people of KY but most Kentuckians wear blinders and are only to look straight in front of them tey have no idea what’s going around them.
Tommy Caudill | Oct 17, 2010 | Reply
In 1968-1971 my father owned a coal trucking business in Johnson County. My mother has told on several occasions he brought home nearly $30 thousand a month. At that time that was a lot of money but the tax rate was around 60% and by the time he repaired his trucks each week, paid his insurance and paid his drivers he averaged about $1000 a week. Still it was good money and I never heard him complain one time about his taxes being outrageous or he was gonna lay his drivers off because the government was eating him alive. Not once and you all are acting like the top 2% paying 34% is just awful. Well my wife and I pay about $20 thousand a year in payroll taxes not counting all the other taxes that are on all your utility bills and other goods. Now that comes out to about 25%. We donate our time when possible to help the kids and simngle parents. I have no problem paying my taxes I just hate to see the money being used to fight an unnecessary war in Iraq.
This is the total to the second we’ve spent on the Iraq war Since 2001 Cost of War in Iraq $738,167,314,324. http://costofwar.com/
Do you know with that much money, we could high speed rail to every vorner of the country. I’m talking driving to town and catch a train to any city in the country. We could have rebuilt every road in this country but instead we’re building theirs.
What good has this money done us in Iraq? Someone please explain that to me. We went to war unilaterally for no reason whatsoever and now we’re paying the price for it and the repubs ant to blame President Obama, for what? Is anyone on here paying higher taxes than they were two years ago? If you say yes you have no idea what you’re talking aboutm because President Obama gave us a $300 billion tax cut in February 2009. One month after he took office.
“The size of the proposed tax cuts — which would account for about 40% of a stimulus package that could reach $775 billion over two years — is greater than many on both sides of the aisle in Congress had anticipated.”
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123111279694652423.html
Tommy Caudill | Oct 17, 2010 | Reply
I have two coomments that are saying this.
“Your comment is awaiting moderation.”
Cats1968 | Oct 17, 2010 | Reply
Tommy:
You are a democrat because you want the government looking out for you. That is fine. You and I are just different. I don’t the government looking after me. Given enough personal freedom and liberty, and I can take care of myself. Whenever the government starts looking after you, it comes with restrictions on choice, liberty, and freedom. Besides that, somebody has to pay for it. Usually the people who pay are the people looking after themselves.
I am no fan of the spending under the Bush administration either. I think that is why you see a lot of people in the country migrating towards the Tea Party. There doesn’t seem to be any real differences between the 2 parties when it comes to spending and the expansion in the size of government.
You and I just disagree, which is fine. It is a good discussion. It still has nothing to do with anybody’s religion, what organizations the belonged to in college, etc., which was my original point.
I don’t think anybody cares about the nonsense.
Tommy Caudill | Oct 17, 2010 | Reply
Cats1968,
I can agree that I don’t think it matters what Mr. Paul did in his college years but it seems to bother a lot of people that it’s coming out. We’ve all done stupid things in our life and sometimes those things come back to haunt us that’s life. As far as wanting governemnt to look out for me that couldn’t be farther from the truth. I like doing what I do and I don’t need any help from anyone at the time, but if that time ever comes and I do need help I want it to be there. I may wake up tomorrow paralyzed or I amy have a heart attack in the middle of the night, we have no promise of the next breath but God forbid if anything ever did happen I want to know my wife and family if I’m ever lucky enough to have one are taken care of. We should want everyone to have that security, not just the chosen few.
Tommy Caudill | Oct 17, 2010 | Reply
Can you imagine how high the state and local tax rate would have to be to pay for everything Rand wants done at the local and state level? Forget the national sales tax rate, the state tax would have to be 25% in order to pay for all the law enforcement, mine inspectors, road crews and school systems etc.
Cats1968 | Oct 17, 2010 | Reply
Tommy:
It is called Social Security Disability Insurance, which you already have. I think it should be privatized and the 16%+ of your gross that you pay in premiums should be yours, but that is another discussion. You can also purchase additional disability and life insurance in the private sector. Heaven forbid if tragedy does happen, you don’t need the government to help you.
Tommy Caudill | Oct 17, 2010 | Reply
Cats1968,
Actually it’s 7.65%, but, isn’t that having the government in control?
I know what I need to do but you seem to want the government to take care of you as well and aat the same time you’re advocating against it.
How can you have both?
You drive on government roads and take off on government runways, do we need to do away with those?
What about your parents, should we take their checks away?
You go right ahead and invest your 7.65% the way you want and we’ll see who comes out ahead when you’re 65.
That’s guarnteed and the stock market could crash tomorrow.
Insurance companies could go bankrupt, where are you then?
I’m not talking about myself, I’m talking about those who can’t fend for themselves.
You know the poor who can only make it with the governments help. It shouldn’t be that way but unfortunately there’s a lot of unskilled people who can only find minimum wage jobs and I don’t know about you but I couldn’t make it on minimum wage today. Heck I couldn’t make it on minimum wage 20 years ago.
Bill Adkins | Oct 17, 2010 | Reply
After the 8 year record of Bush with the sign on his desk that said, “The Buck Stops Anywhere But Here,” Republicans have got a lot of gall. Tell you what, though – when George W. Bush and the Republicans step up and take responsibility for having added $6.5 trillion to the national debt 2001-FY 2009, more than all other administration’s combined, pigs will fly.
SeeDetails | Oct 17, 2010 | Reply
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BarryNBG | Oct 17, 2010 | Reply
Seems people don’t like the ad:
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/paul-campaign-rips-conway-ad-depicts-rand-paul-anti-christian-bigot_508852.html
http://gawker.com/5665708/anti+rand-paul-ad-basically-acuses-him-of-being-an-alien-shaman
http://near-earth.com/2010/10/16/jack-conway-wannabe-theocrat/
That leads us to the NYTimes accurate predictor:
http://elections.nytimes.com/2010/forecasts/senate/kentucky
Tommy Caudill | Oct 17, 2010 | Reply
Please explain, how is this a personal attack? You seem fairly intelligent, so you go right ahead and explain to the rest of us dummies, how this article about what Rand Paul did in college is a personal attack.
Tommy Caudill | Oct 17, 2010 | Reply
These are college kids ages 17-19, not a bunch of middle schoolers. If he were in the military he would have been held at a higher standard, why should this be any different? Should he be held to a lighter standard?
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William | Oct 17, 2010 | Reply
Tommy,
I will give you one thing. I don’t think that Conway is questioning Rand Paul’s faith.
What he is doing, which is actually far worse, is using the public airwaves to cause millions of citizens of the Commonwealth to question Rand Paul’s faith.
Tommy, if the point of the ad is not to get people to think that Rand Paul is a godless heathen, then just exactly what IS the point? Answer the question. What IS the point?
Conway did a really bad thing here. And if he has a conscience, he should regret it.
Tommy Caudill | Oct 17, 2010 | Reply
William,
He’s pointing out Paul’s hypocrisy. He says one thing and does another and he’s done that the entire campaign.
William | Oct 17, 2010 | Reply
Tommy,
You REALLY think that’s the point? You don’t think it’s to get some votes in religious rural Kentucky from people not familiar with the story or Paul’s current religious beliefs? How is it pointing out “hypocrisy?” It’s trying to paint him as a godless freak, and I know you know that.
You will excuse anything Conway does, won’t you? I’d be a lot more wiling to take you seriously if you would at least acknowledge the sheer inappropriate, despicable nature of this ad.
It might be good politics, from a pure vote-getting perspective, but that doesn’t mean it’s right.
Tommy Caudill | Oct 17, 2010 | Reply
William,
Republicans never use these tactics, right? They actually invented dirt politics in KY in the 70′s and 80′s.
Tommy Caudill | Oct 17, 2010 | Reply
And here’s the debate folks.
lengoneright | Oct 17, 2010 | Reply
If Conway is a Catholic, I’ll vote for him if he’ll say he supports the Pope stepping down .. as the 1st step of the Church cleansing itself of the Church hierarchy that refuses to deal with its priests pedophile problem.
Till that happens, I’ll have to vote for Paul.
jimmyledbetter | Oct 17, 2010 | Reply
Buck and Gallows – give a rest guys. We know that can’t be true since Jack and Mitch aren’t best buddies.
And remember, Bush #2 was a cheerleader in college.
Tommy Caudill | Oct 17, 2010 | Reply
If this ad is so callous and false, why wouldn’t Paul answer the question?
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Conway is pro-abortion…supports the continued atrocity of killing unborn children and bludgeoning women thru years of psychological, physical, and spiritual torment….and with OUR tax dollars to boot.
Rand Paul may have his flaws, but I’ll vote for a man (or woman) who respects the vulnerable among us who deserve to live, rather than a man who is guided by the anti-life Democratic National Committee…and its crazy nihilistic policies.
BarryNBG | Oct 17, 2010 | Reply
Tommy shows he has ZERO grasp on history if he thinks Dirty Politics was done in the 70′s and 80′s by the GOP. In the U.S. it started in 1800 on the John Adams campaign.
In TV, it was an ad by a Democrat in 1964:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExjDzDsgbww
Jack Conway was proven to be scum tonight.
Tommy Caudill | Oct 17, 2010 | Reply
Schu,
What are you saying when you say; “Conway is pro-abortion…supports the continued atrocity of killing unborn children and bludgeoning women thru years of psychological, physical, and spiritual torment….and with OUR tax dollars to boot.”
“Bludgeoning women thru years of psychological, physical and spiritual torment.” The last time I looked women made these choices of their own will so, if they have problems with what they do they brought it on themselvves no one held a gun to their head and said you have to do this.
As for tax dollars being used for abortion according to the non-partisan Politifact.Org that’s false.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2009/aug/07/john-boehner/boehner-says-democrats-health-care-plan-would-lead/
Tommy Caudill | Oct 17, 2010 | Reply
Did I say the United States anywhere in my post? I think I said KY in post or, am I just dreaming?
Tommy Caudill | Oct 17, 2010 | Reply
Barry,
What about Conway tonight waas scum? Please expalin to me, why Paul kept trying to avoid the questions. He avoided the NoZE brotherhood question and the questions on Social Security and Medicare. He never did say whether or not he thought they were Constitutional. Maybe you can answer them for him.
Tommy Caudill | Oct 17, 2010 | Reply
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Schu Montgomery | Oct 17, 2010 | Reply
HELLOOO,
where have you been all these years…It took the HYDE Amendment to stop federal dollars to abortion…But Clinton, now Obama have pulled blood money back into the equation of abortion dollars being paid for thru our taxes….Planned Parenthood has been funded by Congress, foreign aid dollars have been spent overseas to organizations that promote abortion…the one child China policy is supported by A.I. D…Obamacare is trying to sneak in abortion with a phony exec. order – exchanges in New Mex. and Pa. have already had the whislte blown once it came to light insurance policies were going for low income abortion….the list goes on and on….yes, we have been indirectly paying for abortion since after President Bush’s pro-life policies…and that includes useless embryonic stem cell research which has cured NO one….Obama has forced taxpayers to pay for that along with a pro-death Congress…We need a new Congress to push for adult stem cell therapies which save lives….not klling innocent unborn children…Get right with the facts, dude….you dont know what you are talking about…and women are oftentimes forced by boyfriends and stupid parents to kill their children because they dont want the inconvenience…Talk to the victims of abortion known as Silent No More…thousands of women who regret their abortions because the mercenary aboritonist never told them about the humanity of their child or alternatives!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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If you are a student and vote for Rand Paul, dont cry when you cannot pay for college. Life is a choice.
William | Oct 17, 2010 | Reply
Harold,
People who vote for Rand Paul don’t cry when things aren’t handed to them. So no worries.
Tommy Caudill | Oct 18, 2010 | Reply
All I’ve heard for two years from the right is President Obama’s a Muslim. Not that there’s anything wrong with being Muslim but questioning his faith is ridiculous. He’s he Devout Christian and was born in Hawaii August 4, 1961.
The minute the shoe’s on the other foot, republicans are crying foul. My, how the world changes when it’s turned on you.
John McIntyre | Oct 18, 2010 | Reply
Hey is there anybody besides me that is honest enough to admit that they did something immature and childish in college? It sounds to me that Rand might have had a frat boy attitude while in school. Guess what? He grew up and became a doctor. He’s married and is raising a family. Sounds like the life story of millions just like him. Rand Paul is an American success story.
Robert | Oct 18, 2010 | Reply
I have never seen such a disgusting political ad in my lifetime. My wife and I will be at the polls at 6:00 am to cast our vote for Rand Paul. Conway is disgusting!
Robert | Oct 18, 2010 | Reply
Jack Conway is no Catholic! He is a pretender like Pelosi, the Kennedy’s, Chris Matthews, etc. You cannot be a Catholic and be pro-abortion. He has already ex-communicated himself.
BR | Oct 18, 2010 | Reply
You have got to be kidding!!! Republicans have been questioning Obama’s faith since before he was elected… now the shoe is on the other foot and you go nuts!?!
BR | Oct 18, 2010 | Reply
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[...I’d like to see what kind of reaction a republican would get if he were to question the faith of a democrat. The media would be all over it.]
OMG! Rep question the faith of a Dem! Where have you been for the last 3 years?!?
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Conway seems to be gaining ground leading up to the mid-term elections.
KY-Sen: 1st post-AquaBuddha poll shows ad isn’t hurting Conway, may be helping: Conway 49, Paul 47: http://is.gd/g8L3s
Tommy Caudill | Oct 20, 2010 | Reply
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Tommy Caudill | Oct 20, 2010 | Reply
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Tommy Caudill | Oct 20, 2010 | Reply
Rand Paul wants “to end all federal faith-based initiatives, and even end the deduction for religious charities.” “Mostly True”
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2010/oct/19/jack-conway/jack-conway-says-rand-paul-would-end-faith-based-i/
mavis | Oct 20, 2010 | Reply
Damon,
It\’s not about getting the facts straight. Every knows what an Episcopalian is and you are right, it is just as christian as any other denomination – which says NOTHING to help your case, especially when you admit that it came out of the Roman Catholism.
The point is the from the perspective of most of Christianity, and Episcopalian is not in any position to criticize anyone else. And surely that is the case.
Mavis
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