House approves slots bill, but certain death promised in Senate
By John Cheves and Beth Musgrave
FRANKFORT — One way or another, a proposal to allow slot machines at horse racetracks will die on Monday, predicted Senate President David Williams, R-Burkesville.
The dire forecast came hours after the measure cleared the House in a 52-45 floor vote, the first for an expanded gambling proposal after more than a decade of debate in Frankfort.
The resulting “racinos” would generate hundreds of millions of dollars a year for the state’s horse industry and school construction projects.
Shortly after approving the slots bill, the House recessed until 4 p.m. Monday without physically delivering the bill to the Republican-led Senate for its consideration.
Williams said that was done because House leaders know the measure does not have the votes in the Senate and wanted to give slots supporters time over the weekend to lobby senators.
“They knew we would have immediately had a committee meeting and killed the bill,” he said.
Several senators said late Friday they already were receiving calls from various school superintendents seeking support for the slots bill.
Williams said the Senate will officially end the special legislative session that began June 15 if his chamber does not receive the slots bill by 4:30 p.m. Monday.
“Enough is enough,” he said, noting the session costs taxpayers about $60,000 a day, including weekends.
If the House bill gets to the Senate before 4:30 p.m. Monday, Williams said, it will be assigned to the budget committee, where it will die.
Senate budget chairman Charlie Borders, R-Grayson, said his panel would give the bill “a fair and full hearing,” but “there is no doubt in my mind that it would die there.”
House Speaker Greg Stumbo, D-Prestonsburg, issued a statement late Friday saying he wasn’t aware the Senate wanted to move so quickly on the slots bill.
“We would have been glad to have worked through the weekend had the Senate asked to do so,” he said. “We will return on Monday, looking forward to continuing the legislative process.”
Even as the House voted on the slots bill, Williams presented to the Senate budget committee his alternative plan to help the horse industry, one without expanded gambling, which he opposes.
The proposal cleared both the committee and the full Senate on Friday.
Williams’ plan raises $85.6 million to help supplement Kentucky horse racing purses and breeder incentives by taxing lottery tickets and out-of-state race betting.
It initially included a plan to place a 10 percent tax on charitable gaming but the committee removed that provision.
Even without proceeds from taxing charitable gaming, Kentucky’s average track purse supplement of $46,658 would be higher than any other state’s, he said.
Still, it’s not even clear if lawmakers can legally consider Williams’ proposal during the special session because only a governor can set its agenda. Beshear earlier declined to put Williams’ proposal on the agenda.
Jay Blanton, a spokesman for Beshear, said the governor’s office has not had an opportunity to study whether Williams’ move violated the governor’s intent. “That is not something that we’ve looked at in any kind of depth,” Blanton said.
In the House Friday, the debate over slots at racetracks lasted more than three hours. Supporters said slots would help the state’s horse industry by producing millions of dollars to fatten racing purses and breeder incentives. Presently, they warned, a dozen states with racinos are siphoning off Kentucky’s precious horse supply, and with it, the state’s signature industry.
“The evidence is clear and convincing that the wolf is at the door,” Stumbo told the House. “It’s time we do something now.”
Also, Stumbo said, thanks to more than $190 million a year the state is projected to collect from slots’ net revenue, Kentucky could issue bonds to pay for $1.3 billion in school and university construction projects.
“This is the largest elementary and secondary school construction project in the history of our commonwealth,” said Rep. Harry Moberly Jr., D-Richmond. “This is a very important part of this bill.”
Stumbo said old, crumbling schools across the state would be replaced, with lawmakers getting to help decide which schools from their districts could go on the list.
He refused to say if lawmakers voting against the slots bill would be punished by having their schools removed from the House’s projects list. The list will not be unveiled until the House budget committee takes up its plan to balance the state budget on Monday.
Critics of the bill said gambling is a poor way to finance state government. They also challenged the legality of the bill, arguing that the 1988 constitutional amendment creating the Kentucky Lottery prohibited further expansion of gambling without another amendment.
If the bill becomes law this year, slots opponents are expected to challenge it in court.
During the debate, Stumbo dodged several questions from Rep. Danny Ford, R-Mount Vernon, who asked him how much Kentuckians must wager on slots every year to produce the state’s projected take of more than $190 million. When Stumbo finally said he did not know the total, Ford said he’s seen estimates ranging from $6 billion to $7 billion, which could devastate people gambling away their paychecks.
“We’ve chosen a path that I think has a tendency to hurt families,” Ford said.
Rep. Stan Lee, R-Lexington, warned of an increase in crime in communities with expanded gambling, as well as corruption in government as gambling interests seek to buy inside favors. Lee invoked the 1990s Operation BOPTROT scandal in which more than a dozen Kentucky legislators — including the then-House speaker — were convicted for selling their votes on gambling legislation.
Once Kentucky legalizes slot machines at racetracks, the gambling industry will return for table games at racinos, and then freestanding casinos, as has been seen in other racino states, Lee added.
“Slots will never be the end of it,” Lee said. “You know it, I know it and the citizens of this state know it.”
In addition to the slots proposal, the bill includes an income tax break for active-duty military personnel and a sales tax break for horse farm supplies, including feed, bedding and grooming materials. It also establishes an income tax credit for half the value of the annual state property tax on motor vehicles.
Rep. John Tilley, D-Hopkinsville, told lawmakers the military income tax exemption would benefit his district, which includes the Army’s Fort Campbell. Many of that base’s 31,000 soldiers live just across the state line in Tennessee because that does not have an income tax, Tilley said.
“Tennessee has embraced the armed forces,” Tilley said. Although Kentucky may lose an estimated $18 million a year through the credit, it could gain much by having more military families buy or build houses in Kentucky, he said.
The House turned back two attempts to amend the bill. Rep. Eddie Ballard, D-Madisonville, wanted slots legalized for community service organizations, such as veterans clubs, and not just at racetracks. Rep. Jim DeCesare, R-Bowling Green, wanted to keep the bill’s tax credits but remove the slot machines legalization.
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So, you see if you vote against this, you are against the education of our children and the military.
How can a politician say no to that?
The Dems are much better at playing these political games than the Republicans.
We do not need to allow gaming slots to give a tax exemption for active military personnel. That is a crock. If the horse industry wants to leave, see ya!
Stumbo would probably be a little more believable if he did not look like Joe Pesci in the movie “Casino.”
If the speaker looked like Sharon Stone this greed proposal could have had a chance.
It seems to me that these “Family” organizations have their noses up everyone’s business. There are citizens in this state who feel discriminated against by the agenda of this particular organization. I support family, but come on, the KY economy is suffering! Do they wish for “their” families to suffer too? Its all about religious control in this state and country. Our decisions should benefit the greater society as a whole not just one “group”. Believe it or not, when the money starts rolling in, the people yelling family, family, family will back down because they too succumb to are supported by funds to do things that are not of religious nature. Corruption exists in every facet of life….GET OVER IT!
Yeah just tell the most thing Kentucky is known for to just “LEAVE”. That would really help the state out.
I don’t see any evidence that the Family FOundation is out building houses for people, helping the homeless, feeding the hungry..no they’re worried about pleasing their financial backers only! How do you think the lottery is successful in KY? Through the purchases of non-christians? Come on, get off the high horse, admit you are human, admit you indulge in things that your organizations deem sinful and be realist!
Amanda, I wouldn’t say that the Dems are better at the game than the Repubs. Williams will have this voted down, so who wins? The Dems made a bad move a year or so ago when they all went home during Fletcher’s special session. Williams will do the same thing with the Senate. Payback is a B*&%h. Not that I agree with it, but the dems make silly political moves that always comes back to haunt them.
What is the website to see how my Reps voted, anyone know? I am particulary interested in Little Ms. Kelly Flood.
Yes, they will go home without a vote. Pethetic.
Senator Williams, we don’t need your pious personality. We don’t need the “moral police”. The citizens of the Commonwealth need and deserve action that will benefit education. Remember, we are a Commonwealth, and the people of Kentucky are for slots at the tracks. If you feel gambling is wrong, don’t do it. Please don’t avoid this issue by ending the session without letting it come to vote in the Senate.
Mr. Williams needs to ride off into the sunset.
Alcohol isn’t exactly great for families, so I guess that we should try to send the bourbon industry out of this state, too.
“Family organizations” can have lots of corruption, too. They are probably in the back pockets of the Indiana casinos, putting us down to thwart the competition.
How can anyone be against ponies and children? My Lord there’s a WOLF at the door people..shoot it with the slot gun before it eats granny.
David Williams needs to get off his HYPOCRITICAL ‘HIGH HORSE.’He is supposedly a VIP of BELTERRA CASINO in Indiana.Become VIP in KY and spend our hard earned tax dollars in KY that we pay you.
The horse industry needs the VLT’s and KY needs the Horse industry despite what uneducated people are saying.The VLT\’s will help towrds Education for your kids and also heathcare.Any time the national news is doing a special on poverty in the US-Kentucky (Appalachia) is mentioned.Let’s put a stop to this.Let\’s have the hypocrite David Williams explain his VIP in casinos in Indiana!!!!!
You all are kidding about any of the Slot money going to education aren\’t you? If any of you really believe that I am truly worried. You really are sheep drinking the kool-aid. lol
Warren Buffet, a Democrat at least for social issues, had some interesting things to say when Nebraska wanted to expand gambling a few years ago:
“I think for the state to essentially prey upon its citizens, create more of these addictions: I just think it’s wrong.”
“The argument is made that all these people are going to Iowa. I would say this. If you had a house with a nice lawn and you had a neighbor and they had a chihuahua and that dog occasionally strayed over to your lawn and fouled the lawn, your reaction would not be to go out and buy a Saint Bernard. You don’t need more of it.”
“You’re teaching your citizenry all the time by the actions you take as legislators and as administrators of a state like this. Essentially to teach you that the state is on the other side of the transaction from you–they’re trying to get you to do something dumb–I just think the state ought to be doing things for its citizens, not do something to its citizens.”
“I do not think that the state ought to be in the position of selling the needles. We’re going to have drug addicts in this country, but I don’t think the state ought to get in the business where it hopes there’s more drug addicts and starts selling needles. And we’re going to have gambling addicts in this country but I don’t think that the state ought to become the sponsor of spreading that addiction.”
“Having it inaccessible is a real plus when you’re dealing with something that’s addictive. It should not be easily accessible.”
“What we’re talking about in Nebraska is increasing the supply. And the demand will grow to that and the demand is from losers.”
“It’s a terrible way to raise money,”
“It’s a tax on ignorance…I don’t like the idea of the governement depending, for certain portions of its revenue, on hoodwinking citizens.”
“Gambling interests don’t bring out the best in society.”
I’m still trying to figure out why so many people are against slots. Wake up you anti-gambling folk. We ALREADY HAVE gambling in KY in the form of the lottery. So what’s the big deal if we allow another form of gambling?
WT,
Apparently you have little knowledge of the addiction rate to gambling. It may not impact you, . . . but you have family.
Such an I don’t give a . . . . is troubling to someone who knows the ills this action will bring and add to our state.
It’s a ploy to play on the those of lesser economic capability. Very few of the higher income levels gamble.
Amanda, Thank you for your intelligent comments.
JAS
I say if it comes down to protecting the horse industry or protecting the commonwealth for future generations, let the horse industry go somewhere else.
Residents of KY gamble. Period. There’s no way around it. They either buy lottery tickets, go to the track, gamble online, or travel to a neighboring state. Risking the horse industry and the 100,000+ jobs that go along with it is not going to stop people from gambling. If they want to, they will find a way. Knowing this, does it not make sense to keep KY’s gambling dollars in KY instead of WV, IN, or the Carribbean?
As a horse owner of modest means (and most of the owners and breeders in the industry are just that), I send my horses to WV to race. Not because I like racing in WV, but because a maiden special weight race in WV has a $28,000 purse instead of an $11,000 purse which is what they have at Ellis or Turfway. I would much prefer to race in KY, but it simply isn’t feasible. Slots would fix this situation and keep KY as the horse racing capitol of the world.
I THINK ITS TIME FOR A RECALL. Stumbo and his crowd are liars of the worst sort. Here we go again, trying to gamble our way to prosperity. The citizens of this Commonwealth will not stand for this shenanigan.
Cheap shot girl with something unproven and irrelevant. The issue is an expansion of gambling. Who would honestly argue it is good for people in Ky to spend another billion dollars a year on slot machines? No one I know. That is what the opponents are saying, that when it is all said and done, everyday people will be the losers and that does hurt their families. Even the proponents of slots have conceded it is not a good thing by their silence. They have argued it is necessary to balance the budget and save the horse industry. Not one has said it will make this a better community or improve our people’s lives. They keep the debate on the subject of the NEED for money. The opponents are saying WHO’S MONEY? Money from families that could find a far better use to enrich their own house holds. It is as simple as that.
I don’t care enough to really be against slots at tracks. Seems as though the majority wants it. I don’t gamble but I’ve seen what it does to a close family member. It is a poor way to balance a state budget or plan for the future. With unemployment at a 26 year high, we should have other priorties?? I am against subsidizing the horse industry. Try to get a derby ticket. How many track and horse workers live in poverty without benifits? Most. Anyway, I da*n sure don’t want David Williams to kill any legislature on any subject. Time for a change there.
Thank you Sen Williams. I work at the dog track/casino in West Virgina. We get tons of Kentuckians every day here
The first step is complete. Now Williams needs to let the Senate decide (yes or no). He always wants to take the easy way out, but now he needs to step up and be a man – Let the Senate Vote.
I am all for it. It is only at race tracks, which means it won’t be in my community, but yet if I want to go then it is within a short drive.
And horse racing is gambling already. That is the point I don’t understand. If anything, it may take away from the horse racing betting.
If the senate votes this bill down then Kentucky is the loser, and Indiana and Illinois will be the winners and continue to drain Kentucky dollars away to their casinos.
Again David Williams and the Republicans prove to be the problem and no part of the solution. We have a budget shortfall, no new revenue, services are deteriorating or disappearing, police are being laid off and few patrols, the Kentucky State Police are using 1 officer to patrol three counties — and slots and gambling offer a solution and will stop the drain of Kentucky dollars to Indiana and Illinois.
David Williams may not lose in Burkesville, but I certainly will work with so many others to defeat the Republican Idiocracy he advocates and hope he’s in the minority soon.
it seems strange that the core of Williams proposal is to increase the tax on the lottery…what a hypocrit…this guy is worst than Ernie. Seems moralizing is only ok against new gambling proposals..what an A$$ whipe
Why don’t all the folks who want slots move to a state where they already have slots? Then we could all be happy!!!!
better yet, mike, why don’t all those folks who DON’T want slots move to a state where they don’t have slots. Then the Kentucky IQ average would increase.
On behalf of the hundreds of employees at Horseshoe Southern Indiana, HIP HIP HOORAY for Senator Williams!!! We enjoy (and will continue to enjoy) serving Kentuckians from all across the Commonwealth!! I’m also sure our local town of New Albany, IN, is thankful to have its schools and roads fully funded for years into the future! THANKS AGAIN, Senator Williams!!!
Mike illustrates the simpleton mentality..should be simple for those that don’t want to gamble…don’t do it. maybe Mike should go charm some snakes or something highly productive for the state. Maybe we shouldn’t have slots, but tax churches or maybe even have a low IQ tax…ok, Mike..pay up lol
It is rather easy to see the post that know little about gaming habits. To blow of those that oppose- with mindless post- shows the absolute lack of knowledge of THE FACTS ABOUT GAMBLING.
Gambling is the number one mental illness in America.
When Gambling comes to town, the suicide rate among children from homes with a problem gambler . . . Suicide for children goes up by three percent.
Ignorance . . . IS BLISS.
Gambling happens — and if it’s prohibited in Kentucky it’s going to happen in other states and those states are going to reap the profits. And the number one mental illness in America is not gambling, it isn’t even close. In the UK .06% of the population might be considered to have a gambling problem — and they get to bet pretty freely. As to that suicide rate increase – what’s 3% of a segment of a segment of a problem segment that has .06% of the population —- wow? From such small numbers you spread it pretty wide, jim.
To Jim Stivers:
Get real. Last year you didn’t want the public to vote on it and now don’t want the legislators to take a stand. If you don’t want gambling in Kentucky, then you are free to leave. But find a state that doesn’t have some sort of gambling. Kind of hard to do, isn’t it?
Anyone that wants to say see ya to the horse industry is an idiot. This is the one thing that our entire state is known for other than being ignorant/stupid. Now are you smart enough to know the one thing we will be known for without the horse industry?
To Jim Anderson Stivers:
Checked out the Herald Leader today? Mr. Frank J. Frahenkopf calls you out for providing false, inaccurate information about gambling addiction. Unlike you, he relies on proven research whereas you seem to be getting your information from Wikipedia. Everyone knows that you have been spreading falsehoods and now he proves it.
Listen, it’s okay if you don’t want gambling, but don’t be spreading lies all over the forum boards. Everyone is tired of reading your elementary commentary both on here and in the State-Journal.
I would suggest you get a hobby because you obviously have nothing better to do.
Frankfort Fred, . . .
Former legislator, Attorney, Franklin County Judge, and now wealthy thoroughbred owner. Mr. Fred Bradly. He Even travels to Dubai for the big meet. It appears Mr. Bradly is doing OK in the horse business.
I mean, if you can afford to air lift your ponies, equipment, personnel to Saudi Arabia things can\’t be that bad.
Horse owner Fred Bradley says;
\” Unlike you, he relies on proven research whereas you seem to be getting your information from Wikipedia.\”
I never considered Wikipedia Fred, they are not entirely accurate. But, I have researched hundreds of gaming sights and the information I posted is accurate.
Example: Mr. Frank J. Frahenkopf says the gambling addiction rate has remained stable for the past few years at one percent. Yeah, and cows fly.
Now that is the kind of thing, a chief spokes person for the Gaming Industry should say. The real facts won\’t support the 1% Mr. Frank J. Frahenkopf reports.
That number of addicted gamblers is more than two times what the chief lobby for gambling reports.
I listed, in an op ed to the Herald Leader around eight or so facts about gambling.
The main one Mr. Frakenkopf and Mr. Bradley
challenge is that only 1 % are addicted gamblers.
The fact is the rate is closer to three percent than one percent. Just another perception the gaming industry wants the public to believe.
What I have posted, on gaming, are facts . . . and Mr. Frakenkopf, I do not wish to get into a urination contest with a Washington Skunk. Even if one wins, you still loose.
Good day Mr. Bradley.
Jim Anderson Stivers:
It is not Fred Bradley, nice try.
So you have researched hundreds of gaming sights? Could it be because you were there gambling??????
But, are the numbers correct?
Gamble, me . . . I bet my friends on Kentucky games sometimes> But I never bet against the KATS. I guess that is gambling.
But, SLOTS are the fastest gaming structure to lead to addiction. And,SLOTS bring in 85% of the revenue for Racinos, Casinos.
How would you know?
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